Hello Diane & Donna,
Diane, your message:
"Hi Donna, the 1901 census showed Sarah, John Caine's wife as being 'married' but I couldn't find John, my g.grandad. His age on his marriage certificate indicated that he had been born in 1853 with a father named John. There were three John Caines born on the IOM that year all of them with a father called John. The 1911 census showed Sarah Maxwell and John Caine living together in Douglas, his year of birth as 1847. That year only one John Caine with a father also John. The names of his siblings matched those of g.aunts and g.uncles. Yes, he married Elizabeth Creech and knowing this I have been able to take the family back a couple of generations. Thanks again, Diane"
As Donna will want to add this to her Cain database, the following is incorrect: "The 1911 census showed Sarah Maxwell and John Caine living together in Douglas, his year of birth as 1847. That year only one John Caine with a father also John."
The only extracted baptism on the IGI in 1847 of a John Cain with father John was the one I put in my first reply, with mother Margaret.
The only John Cain b.1847 IOM in the 1911 census was also the wrong one (details given in my first reply).
The correct John in the 1911 census was one of seven John Cain(e)s from adjoining years to 1847, all b.IOM.
At 35 Tynwald St Douglas
CAIN, John Head Married M 63 1848 Labourer Genl Ramsey I O M
CAIN, Sarsh Wife Married 36 years F 54 1857 Ramsey I O M
CAIN, William Son M 20 1891 Labourer Barrow on Furness (Res)
CAIN, Walter Son Single M 16 1895 Message Boy Douglas I O M
CAIN, Mona Daughter Single F 21 1890 Servant Domestic Douglas I O M
CAIN, John Grandson (1 MONTH) 1911 Douglas I O M
"Sarsh" (yes it does look like an "s") had 13 children with 7 still alive and 6 had died.
In the 1891 census they were in England, Lancs, at 2f, Brig Street, Barrow:
[Household transcription]
CAINE, John Head Married M 39 1852 Rivetter Ramsey Isle of Man
CAINE, Sarah Wife Married F 34 1857 Ramsey Isle of Man
CAINE, Ellen Daughter F 15 1876 Ramsey Isle of Man
CAINE, Agnes Daughter F 14 1877 Ramsey Isle of Man
CAINE, Sarah Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Ramsey Isle of Man
CAINE, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Barrow Lancashire
CAINE, John Son M 5 1886 Scholar Barrow Lancashire
CAINE, Mona Daughter F 2 1889 Ramsey Isle of Man
CAINE, William Son M 1 1890 Barrow Lancashire
RG number:RG12 Piece:3487 Folio:31 Page:33
In 1901 Sarah Cain and 5 children are back in the IOM at 11, Sineschals Lane, Onchan, Douglas.
In 1901 John Cain Boarder Married M 51 1850 Shipbuilder's Rivetter b. Ramsey Isle of Man is at 20, Dumfries Street, Barrow In Furness boarding with the AMOS family.
John Cain was bapt in Maughold on 29 June 1849 son of John Cain & Elizth. [Creech]
John Cain & Elizabeth Creech married 4 June 1842 Santon.
Their other children bapt Maughold were:
Daniel [son of] John Cain/ Elizabeth [bapt] Parish Church 5 Oct 1851
Isabella John Cain/ Elizabeth Creetch Parish Church 28 Feb 1854
Agnes John Cain/ Elizabeth Creetch Parish Church 19 Sep 1855
Their other children who were bapt elsewhere [IGI extracted records]:
Jane CAIN bapt 20 NOV 1842 Santon, Isle Of Man
Ellen CAIN bapt 16 FEB 1845 Sulby, Lezayre Isle Of Man
William CAIN bapt 29 NOV 1846 Sulby, Lezayre Isle Of Man
Ellen Cain bapt 11 AUG 1860 Ramsey, Isle Of Man
Edward Cain bapt 28 JAN 1862 Ramsey, Isle Of Man
A possibility is entered under "Kane":
Mary Ann Kane bapt 4 SEP 1864 Lezayre daur of John Kane & Elisabeth.
Donna, you posted the family in the 1851, '61, '71 and '81 censuses. I had another look at the 1851 census scan to look at daur Margaret aged 13 (who would have been from an earlier marriage for John, or pre-marriage) in case you were using the FHS transcript. If so, Brian indexed this, and was the reason he then bought fiche from the PRO to redo all his census transcripts and indexes.
There are only a few differences. Baldromma is spelt like that, and John is a labourer at I.Ore mines b.Braddan, and Daur Margarett 13 is a Sunday School scholar with "Do" [ditto] to her siblings b. Maughold.
I couldn't find her in Maughold records.
If Brian was right in giving Elizabeth's bapt as 24 March 1819 Santon, she took off 4 or 5 years for each census, as did John Cain following the 1851 census.
Sue