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Re: John Looney and Margaret Kelvie son, John Loon

Hello Averil,

You have confused me with this:
"It was Daniel Looney (Isabel Cashin) that was given Gob ny Scoote in Heir-ship Bargain in the Will of John Looney (Margaret Kelvy) in 1770".
This is the opposite of what was written!

In your transcript of the 1769 agreement which John Looney made with his wife and sons, the property specifically wasn't given to Daniel.
Daniel was instructed to give up the part of Gob ny Scoote which he held, in return for receiving the better property, Crow Creen, on the death of Margaret Kelvie:
"The sd. Daniel Looney & his wife …. agreeing to acquit and give up the half of Gob no Scoote w’ch he had in Settlement to his brother John Looney in lieu of Crow creen Lands at ye decease of the Survivor of us together with our other half of Gob no Scoote which I leave and bequeath to my Said Son John after the Decease of the longer liver of us…"

This agreement was signed by all the parties, and couldn't be just brushed aside because Margaret changed her mind - and there is absolutely no evidence that she tried to do so.

The properties weren't left under Heirship - both were purchased properties, and father John could leave them to whoever he liked, with Margaret's agreement (to which she signed).
We know that the agreement was honoured, because Daniel received Crow Creen.

Margaret Kelvie was living at Crow Creen when she died, and her agreement made with youngest son Ewan in 1798 mentioned no property, only her "goods and Effects" - of which she had a considerable amount.
In 1783 her wealthy second husband William Creetch had left her money and other assets and income, including from crops in Crow Creen and Ballachrink.

I have double-checked the burial record for son John Looney on the MM site:
“John Looney
Date/Epithet 2 December 1835
Category Burials
Parish Maughold
Abode (Yack)
Biography 87 yrs”

This was transcribed from the parish register, as was Tom Corteen’s transcript – independently from each other: “John LOONEY 87 (Yack) buried Dec 2 1835”.

I don't agree with what Eric wrote when he suggested that a burial could be 20 years out. This could happen with a census age (but 20 years is a stretch!) or with a crumbling gravestone, but I have rarely seen any parish register burial records that were more than three or four years wrong (and that was unusual - usually only a year or two). In this case John Looney was a local man living in a small community, and he and his relatives would have been well-known to his church and neighbours.

If you are counting transactions as being "Heir-ship bargains" there were four:
1.John Looney (Margaret Kelvie).
2.Son Daniel received the property in (marriage?) settlement.
3.Gave it up to his brother John (Isabel Camaish) in order to receive Crow Creen.
4.John Looney (Rachel Redhead).

Sue

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