It would be good to follow the John Henry Cain bap 1870, parents John Cain and Jane Redpath, to see if he can be discounted (ie died or married someone else). He's easy to find in 1871 with his gardener father, but I haven't found him in 1881. Has anyone else ? I wondered whether maybe his father had died between the censuses, and his mother had remarried, so that John b 1870 might appear in the 1881 census with a different surname.

Donna, please would you see if there's an MI for this burial ?

CAIN, John 33 Braddan 12 Jun 1873

Thank you.

Jean C

As an afterthought, I don't think this John b 1870 is likely to be Liz's great grandfather.

a) why would he always inflate his age (39 in 1891 is way off) ?

b) Liz's great grandfather was a general, heavy duty type of labourer until he reached middle age (quarry labourer in 1911) so he didn't become a gardener until later in life, presumably when really hard manual labour got too much for him. I don't see that the fact that John Cain b circa 1841 ( father of John Henry Cain b 1870) was a gardener as a 30 yr is really relevant.

c) John Cain b 1870 didn't have a father called Robert (unless, as you say, Sue, John senior was actually John Robert, but that's unlikely, given that he was John at his marriage, John at the baptisms of 2 of his children, and John in the 1871 census. And since he was age 24 at his marriage in Feb 1865, and he was born in Jurby, this baptism seems to be the only one in the IGI which fits:

John Cain, 14 Sept 1840 Jurby, parents John Cain/Eliza Quayle