Thanks for that info, Sue. I couldn't remember seeing these CDs mentioned so I looked through the Feb & the May journals that David Christian sends me & still can't find a mention. Maybe you receive a newsletter which I don't. The Arbory & Rushen on one CD would be good but does it mention which years. I have the Arbory MI book but found very little of the Kinvigs /Kellys I wanted as I wasn't 100% sure which Kinvig was which. Several John & Elizabeth Kinvigs! Are the Patrick & Braddan burials all on the German CD do you know? Thanks