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Re: ADAM CAINE LINE
In Response To: Re: ADAM CAINE LINE ()

Dear Ms. Coakley,
I will remind you again, our records were parish records,and again reemember before 1685 marriages were not recorded at Ballaugh, even all the children in ANNE'S will do not match up with THOMAS CAINE. HER BIRTH IS RIGHT, BECAUSE HER WILL IS RIGHT, AN EPISCOPAL WILL. I stated to you years ago there was a second marriage and there in entwinement of two families. The CAIN/E'S Qualyes, CORLETTS, KAIGHINS, QUIRKS, ALL MANX on the Isle would have to have married and intermarried for there was NO ONE ELSE TO MARRY, and they named their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and on down the same names. PATRICK SR WHO CAME TO AMERICA HAD PATRICK JR, AND ALICE, who came here, we have DOLLIN CAINE here who I am off of and JOHN CAINE his father, and my father JOHN CAINE. so it is beyond me why so much repetition, but ADAM'S FATHER WAS WILLLIAM, MY BROTHER IS WILLIAM and JOHN CAINE and WILLAIM HERE OFF PATRICK JR. JOHN CAINE married two times here, A SARAH BLUME AND THEN A SARAH LOTT. and named all the children AS ON THE ISLE:
children with SARAH LOTT:

WILLIAM PATRICK CAIN
ALICE CAIN
ELSEY CAIN
NATHANIEL CAIN after NATHANIEL WALKER ALICE, OFF THE ISLE, her husband.

off SARAH BLUME, 2nd wife of JOHN CAIN, PATRICK JR, HIS FATHER PATRICK SENIOR.

Cornelia Cain off Sarahs side of family.
DOLLIN CAIN
EIZABETH CAIIN
JOHN CAIN JR
CORNELIUS CAIN off Sarah's side of family.

The names on the Isle have such repetiveness, but for THOMAS CAINE TO MARRIED TO ANNE CORLETT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SHOW ME YOUR DOCUMENTATION. MARGARET QUIGGIN WAS ANNE'S DAUGHTER, AND WILLIAM WAS ANNE CORLETT'S GRANDSON, SO PRODUCE ME A MARRIAGE AND THERE WAS NO PATRICK FOR THOMAS CAINE WHICH THERE WAS NONE IN HIS CHILDREN AND THE GRANDCHILDREN DO NOT MATCH.

So to to say they do, the children, I may could have gone along with JOHN being the second husband, but even with that. Patrick the grand child of ANNE CORLETT did not have a marriage. You have yet to produce that data. and who was Joney's father, now dead. in your SEPTEMBER 7 2010 e-mail, WHICH I WILL NOW PUT FOR YOUR REMEMBRANCE;

the marriage contract Old Mic#69
dated 2nov 1717; JOHN CAINE+ANN also CORLETT obo SON PATRICK, elino qualye obo dau JONEY( HER FATHER DEAD) I wil interject here, WHO WAS HER FATHER????; to marry before st thomas day at KK MICHAEL;
CAINES to give half land; elinor to over +above JONEY'S FATHER'S SHARE, I will interject here again, it states GIVE OVER JONEY'S FATHER'S SHARE, WHO IS DEAD! 40s+ bed
ect; witt THOMAS QUALYLE X; JOHN CAINE x Court may 1718

ANNE CORLETT BY PARISH RECORDS WAS BORN OCOTBER 2 1681, ADAM CAINE BORN MARCH 15, 1669 IN KK MICHAEL, ANNE BORN AT BALLAUGH,

ANNE DIED SEPTEMBER 12 1738, marriage on the Isle as just put in a post could be as early as age 14 with parent consent. ADAM DIED BEFORE ANNE CORLETT.

SEE YOUR MANX NOTEBOOK.
I stated years ago this looked like a second marriage, and ADAM CAINES, YOUR MARRIED TIMES, ELINOR STOEN, ANN CALLISTER,ALICE GARRET,
I still have to go by our tree. ANNE'S WILL SHOWS ALL THE CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN AND ADAM HAD these children. KATHERINE GAWNE WAS EINOR CLARKES MOTHER AND HER FATHER WAS PATRICK CLARKE. These two names are hand in hand with ADAM CAINE. JONEY WAS THE ELDEST SURVIVING DAUGHTER of ADAM CAINE. So if PATRICK WAS THE SON OF JOHN CAINE and not ADAM CAINE, that would explain allot.

If they did have an affair and ADAM was not the FATHER, and JOHN WAS THE FATHER, and JONEY WAS THE ELDEST , HER FATHER DEAD AND SHE GIVES TO ELINOR HER FATHER'S; SHARE THIS WOULD COME TOGETHER.

So whatever way it happened it appears w are dealing with two ADAM CAINES, WHICH BALLAUGH CAINE FITS more into the line, bue ADAM ALSO IS RECORDED AS PATRICK WAS RECORDED IN BALLAUGH AND KK MICHAEL ALSO,TWO CAINES ONE OF THE KNOCKAN AND ONE OF ORRISDALE, ONE OF BALLAUGH AND HE HAD A SON ADAM.

So this puzzle is a mixture and our genealogist on the Isle did the tree over ACROSS THE POND and MORMON files and PARISH RECORDS, which I am sure for we have those.

I just know PATRICK did not come out of the blue, he came here, he brought PATRICKJR AND ALICE AND THEY ARE BURIED HERE. They were not IRISH, I know we will find the Bible, I have faith, and when it is found I will post it on the board. Thank you for all you have done and thank you for what you have tried to do, but we cannot change lines upon lines, they intertwine, somewhere on both sides, ADAM AND ANNE there would have to have been two marriage of each and two sets of children each and JOHN CAINE would be a spouse would one of those and ELINOR STOEN would be s spouse who produced the twins another. It seems like that is all they did on the Isle was to produce children after children with all the same names, which makes it the devil to find with missiing records at BALLAUGH and so we must leave as it is.

I am glad we both can and cannot see for perhaps as this quote states, the blind shall lead the blind and both shall fall into the ditch.

Kindly and with respect to you.

Mrs. Rosa