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Re: Radcliffe-Cain(e)
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Hi Donna,
I'm hoping that Carol will post the Caine lineage. This is for John Radcliffe:

[Generation] 1. John RATCLIFF, Ballaratcliff, Andreas.
2. The two sons of John Ratcliff, Ballaratcliff:
i John RATCLIFF, coroner, Ballaratcliff, b.c.1575
ii William RATCLIFF, of Ballakelly, b.c.1580

3. The three? sons of John Ratcliff, coroner, Ballaratcliff, b.c.1575:
i John RATCLIFFE, eldest son, b.c.1605, the heir of Ballaratcliff.
ii Gilbert RATCLIFFE b.c.1610, d.1668, “assumed to be a younger brother of John Ratcliffe b.c.1605”, married Margaret KINRY heiress of Belfast. [Of Belfast .]
iii?William RATCLIFFE d.1668 [will] married Mally CHRISTIAN, d.1690 [will].

“Gilbert RATCLIFFE b.c.1610 of Belfast, was assumed to be a younger brother of John Ratcliffe b.c.1605, the heir of Ballaratcliff. Their father was John, coroner, Ballaratcliff, b.c.1575, the son of John Ratcliff. His younger son William, of Ballakelly, was b.c.1580.
Gilbert married Margt KINRY heiress of Belfast. This is a portion of the quarterland of Ballachurry. Gilbert’s son James inherited the West Croft of Belfast while son John received Crot-e-Lough. In the Manorial Roll 1727 Crot-e-Lough was numbered Intack 43 and was possessed by Thos Radcliffe.” [D.S. Dugdale]

“CORONER FOR AYRE
John Radcliffe junior who succeeded his father at Ballaradcliffe was also coroner for the sheading of Ayre for which he paid a rental of 40/- and both he and his brother William of Ballakelly, appear from year to year as members of the Setting Quest or as ' Moars for Andreas. John was associated with Gilbert Kelly as a holder of intack in Andreas in 1622 and probably married a sister or daughter of this Kelly. He had issue, besides his heir John, a younger son, Gilbert, who was the direct antecedent of the 'Sundher' branch.
Gilbert Radcliffe is first entered for intack in Andreas in 1625 and in the Liber Vast of 1631 his name appears along with Gilbert Skinner, Ewan Sayle, William Crebbin and Donald Kinrede, each of whom paid 6d. for their holdings.
In 1633 Gilbert Radcliffe's name is drawn and Dollin Curleod entered, but we find that Gilbert had married Margaret, the daughter of John Kinry and in 1648 the latter's name was drawn and Margaret is entered with her husband Gilbert Radcliffe. The appended note states that John Kinry was dead and his right had descended to his daughter and her husband "ye said Gilbert". This was for 1d rent, and in the same year Margaret and Gilbert were also entered for 4d rent in which, John Kinry, the father, is drawn: 2d rent in which Jony Kinry, the Mother, is drawn, and 2d rent for which Fynlo Kinry is drawn.
The Lords Survey of 1700-1710 shows that Gilbert Radcliffe had other lands for which he compounded in 1643, these were the crofts later known as Belfast, the West Croft opposite the entrance to Ballavarry facing Ohio Cottage, Ohio Cottage and the adjoining land and an unidentified croft called Crot-a-Lough. He died in October, 1668, and his two sons, John who received Crot-a-Lough and the other intack holdings inherited from the Kinrys, and James who obtained possession of Old Belfast and the West Croft. John's descendants were for many generations designated 'y Vair' or 'y Voar' and some were described as 'Voar y Sundher'. According to the late Archdeacon Kewley these names were applied to this branch of the Radcliffes because they were overseers of the highways and not as some have thought a nickname implying that they lived by the road.” [‘Story of an Old Manx Northside Family: Radcliffe y Sundher of Andreas’ By R. Cunliffe Shaw, M.Sc.. F.R.C.S.. F.R.Hist.S. Reprinted from the Ramsey Courier of Wednesday, Dec. 24th. 1952.]

3.ii Gilbt Ratcliffe’s will dated 28 Oct. 1668 named his son Jon, and Jon’s two children who were left "a yard of linen cloath". He also mentioned his two daughters Kathr: and Bahee, his son James, and James's son Jon. His wife was left his crofts and crops “as long as she liveth”, which were to go to his son James after her decease. [Arch will LDS film no.106201]

4. Children of Gilbert RADCLIFFE & Margaret KINRY:
Two daughters:
Katherine
Bahee d.1690 married GARRETT? [Will LDS film no.0991646.]

Two sons:
i James Ratcliff b.c.1633, married Nelly KINREAD Nov 10th 1663. James Ratcliffe buried 11th December 1689 [will]. [Of Belfast] (Ian’s family.)

ii John Ratcliff b.c.1635 [of Crot-e-Lough] died 1669 [will].

5. John had 4 underage children [born between c.1663 & 1669]: Their uncle James Ratcliff was their supervisor:

i John b.c.1664, d.1701. The 1692 Composition book, Andreas, records John Radcliffe, son of John Radcliffe, land originally held by Gilbert Radcliffe, lives expired.
ii Thomas b.c.1666, d. Jan.1728/1729 [of Lezayre] [will]
iii Margaret b.c.1668 [not included in grandfather’s 1668 will, but was at lawful age in Dec.1682].
iv Unborn child: James son of John R. bapt. Andreas Feb.1669/70, d.1758 [will] married Joney TEARE d.1743 [will]

Eldest son John b.c.1664, d.1701:
5.i John c.1664-1701 [decree] married c.1690 [gap in Andreas par regs] Margaret CANNELL who died as Margaret KNEAL 22 Dec.1723 [she married John Kneal after John Radcliffe's death]. Her will names her unmarried son Philip Radcliffe, her son Thomas Radcliffe and his son John Radcliffe, and her daughter Jony who was married to Philip Kynry.
John died 29 April 1701: decree to his 3 children: son Thomas, daughter Jony, & son Philip: next of kin to his three underage children were his brothers Thomas and James Radcliffe, supervisors.

[There is a gap in Andreas parish registers 1686-1704, apart from a few odd entries.]

6. Children of John RADCLIFFE & Margaret CANNELL from decree and will:
i Thomas b.c.1695/96, d.1732 [decree] (Carol’s family)
ii Jony b.c.1697/98, d.1739 [will] Joney Kinry als Radcliff buried 14 Dec 1739.
iii Philip b.c.1699/1700, d.1762 [will]. (My family.)

6.i Thomas RADCLIFFE b.c.1695/96 died 1732, married 1718 his 2nd cousin Alice Radcliffe of Belfast [second daughter of John Radcliffe & Jane Teare] d.1757 [will]. “On the 1727 Manorial Roll Crot-e-Lough was possessed by Thos Radcliffe. The home of the Ratcliff y Vairs was at Ballavarry gate, across the road from Belfast” [DSD]. “Thos Radcliff [Y Vair] bury’d Novr 24th 1732”. Decree is erroneously dated 1730: Next of kin and supervisors to his underage children were Philip Ratcliff and Philip Kinry [husband of Jony]. [LDS 106373.]

“…This Thomas Radcliffe had a son Thomas, born 1690-95, and married Alice the daughter of John Radcliffe of Old Belfast, in 1718. He and many of his descendants were known as 'y Vair' or 'y Voar'. Thomas Radcliffe…. had seven children, one of whom, Thomas, shoemaker and weaver, purchased the Cronk Breck in Ballachurry quarterland. By Ann Sayle, his wife, he had a younger son James born in 1760 who lived at the Lhen Moar and was a noted codfisher and weaver. He built the cottage in which he lived by his own hands. His great grandson was the well-known schoolmaster of Andreas, William Radcliffe, whose patronymic "Billy-Harry-Jemmy-Jem-Hom-Voar-y Sundher", is a remarkable example of how the country people preserved the long records of their descent and incidentally proves the connection of the 'Voar' branch with the other Sundher families. George Radcliffe, uncle to William the Schoolmaster, emigrated to the U.S.A. and was one of the pioneer house builders in Cleveland, Ohio. Another brother James became a farmer in the U.S.A. and the descendants of John, the eldest of this generation, emigrated to Australia.” [R.CUNLIFFE SHAW]

7. Seven children in Thomas’s decree, all bapt Andreas:
i John bapt 1 March 1718/1719, d.1786 [will], married Isabel CAINE d.1774 [will].
ii Joney bapt 28 Sep 1720, married Ewan KINRY 28 Feb.1746 Andreas.
iii Jane bapt 14 Oct 1722, died 1743.
iv Thomas bapt 9 May 1725, shoemaker Cronk Beck, married Ann SAYLE 1749/50 both d.1796. [will]
v [Anne] dau of Thos Ratcliff bapt 12 Nov 1727 married Andreas John TEAR Nov.19th 1748.
vi Philip “Philip Radcliff son of Thomas [y Vare] 3 May 1730” A son of Thos Radcliff Y Vair bury’d 25th March” [1734]
vii Margaret “Margt Radcliff Posthume of Thos Radcliff Y Vair 13 Decr 1732”, died 1756 [will]

All these wills and decrees are transcribed: lawsonsiom.freevar.com/

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