Thank you, Donna. Even though there were no MIs, it was still helpful. So I think that they are Thomas Gelling bap 25 Jan 1801 St George Douglas ( parents William Gelling and Margaret Kneen ) and Elizabeth Craine b circa 1797 Braddan, parents unknown .

The 84 year old Eliz Gelling, widow, in the 1881 census, I think is the 74 year old paper mill owner in 1871, and 63 year old in 1861. Is she Eliz Gelling nee Jones, widow of Robert Gelling, Eric ?

The Thomas Gelling b 1801 was, I believe, a brother of the Esther Gelling who married Thomas Craine, navigation expert, mentioned in messages a couple of months ago.