Yes I know Michael Pat and I gave him the photographs etc of anything connected with the Palmers and he supplied me with info re the Fiddlers and I actually emailed him today as he has taken info about John Palmers death from a tree on Ancestry who is an American relation of the Palmers and she admitted that she has guessed certain dates which is a bad thing as other US relations have copied them as well. Regarding the marriage of John and Julia Rennie I have tried everywhere including France and Guernsey but because I don't know when John died she could even have slipped in another marriage before John Rennie (she was a lady who liked her wedding cake!!).thanks for your help Pat.