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Re: Which Margaret Cain(e) is Viv's?

Hi Donna and Viv

This might help to differentiate between the Mgt Caine b 1830 Michael ( dau of Thos Caine, weaver, and Mgt Corlett) and the Mgt Cain b 1829 Braddan (dau of Thos Cain, tailor, and Isabella Cannell)

Here's MC b 1830 Mich in 1841, 1851 and 1861 (transcriptions copied from Ancestry):

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1841 Michael 2/5
Village
Thomas Caine age 30 is a weaver
1841 Isle of Man Census
about Margt Caine
Name: Margt Caine
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil Parish: Michael
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Isle of Man
Sub-registration district: Isle of Man
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Caine 30
Margaret Caine 30
Margt Caine 10
Thomas Caine 8
Wm Caine 5
John Caine 3
Robert Caine 9 MO

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This is the family of MC b1830 Mich in 1851:

Braddan 5/13

they have moved to Braddan. The 3 youngest children and their father, Thomas (woollen weaver) are b Braddan. All the others are b Michael.

MC b1830 Mich was no longer in the family home.

This is Ancestry's transcription of the entry for one of Margaret's brothers (the Robert Cain who was 9 months in 1841):

1851 Isle of Man Census
about Robert Cain
Name: Robert Cain
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Where born: Michael, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Cain
Mother's name: Margaret Cain
Gender: Male

Civil Parish or Township: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image

Registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Cain 44
Margaret Cain 43
Thomas Cain 17
William Cain 14
John Cain 12
Robert Cain 9
Ann Cain 7
Mary Cain 5
Elizth Cain 2

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MC b 1830 Mich was a house servant in Braddan, in the household of Robert Quiggin (her future husband), farmer, at Carragh, next door to Arey Ween.

1851
Braddan 5/10
1851 Isle of Man Census
about Margaret Cain
Name: Margaret Cain
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Where born: Michael, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female

Civil Parish or Township: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image

Registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Quiggin 50
Henry Cain 17
Margaret Cain 20
William Quiggin 40

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MC b1830 Mich in 1861, now married to Robert Quiggin:

Braddan 5/8
Ballagaree

1861 Isle of Man Census
about Margret Quiggin
Name: Margret Quiggin
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert Quiggin
Gender: Female
Where born: Kk Michael, Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil Parish or Township: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Quiggin 62
Margret Quiggin 29
Robt Cain Quiggin 8
Margt Quiggin 6
Mary Ann Quiggin 4
Thos Quiggin 2
James Kucale 22
Mary Jane Cain 15

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After Robert Quiggin's death, she married Charles Quayle.

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Here's MC b 1829 Brad in 1841 and 1851:
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MC b1829 Brad in 1841:

Braddan 3/3

Ballawillan

Mgt's father, Thomas Cain age 56, is a tailor. James 28 is a weaver. William 67 is a shoemaker.

1841 Isle of Man Census
about Margaret Cain

Name: Margaret Cain
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil Parish: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Isle of Man
Sub-registration district: Isle of Man
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Cain 56
Isaballa Cain 53
James Cain 28
Isaballa Cain 14
Margaret Cain 12
Elizabeth Cain 10
Elenor Cain 8
William Cain 67

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MC b1829 Brad in 1851 ?
Braddan 5/9
Ballachrink

This Mgt is a 21 yr old house servant b Braddan in John Quine's household.

1851 Isle of Man Census
about Margaret Cain
Name: Margaret Cain
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Where born: Braddan, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female

Civil Parish or Township: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image

Registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
John Quine 50
Jane Quine 45
John Quine 22
William Quine 20
Catharine Quine 17
Elizabeth Quine 13
Benjamin S Quine 11
Mary Ann Quine 9
Esther H Quine 4
William Kewley 65
Thomas Clark 28
Margaret Cain 21

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Can't find MC b 1829 Brad (Margaret Kewley alias Thompson nee Cain) in 1861. Below is her son, Robert Thompson, from her first marriage, with his maternal grandmother, Isabella Cain nee Cannell:

1861 Isle of Man Census
about Robt Thompson
Name: Robt Thompson
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Grandson
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cain
Gender: Male
Where born: Kk Bradan, Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil Parish or Township: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Isabela Cain 75
Elizabeth Cain 28
Robt Thompson 8

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Then in 1871:

1871 Isle of Man Census
about Robert Thomson
Name: Robert Thomson
Age in 1871: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil Parish: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image

Registration district: Isle Of Man
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Quayle 21
Margret Quayle 39
Robert Quiggin 18
Margret Quiggin 16
Mary Quiggin 14
Mernas Quiggin 11
Edeath Quiggin 8
Jennina Quiggin 4
Emily Quayle 3
Robert Thomson 18
Elizabeth Cain 22
Robert E Cain 4 Months
Elizabeth Cockell 18

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This is Mgt Quayle nee Cain from that same household in 1871 ---- this Mgt is MC b 1830 Mich, not MC b 1829 Brad:

1871 Isle of Man Census
about Margret Quayle
Name: Margret Quayle
Age in 1871: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles Quayle
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil Parish: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image

Registration district: Isle Of Man
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Quayle 21
Margret Quayle 39
Robert Quiggin 18
Margret Quiggin 16
Mary Quiggin 14
Mernas Quiggin 11
Edeath Quiggin 8
Jennina Quiggin 4
Emily Quayle 3
Robert Thomson 18
Elizabeth Cain 22
Robert E Cain 4 Months
Elizabeth Cockell 18

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In that 1871 household, Robt Thomson has a blank "relationship" box.

22 yr old Elizabeth Cain has "sister wife" .

MC b 1830 Mich and MC b 1829 Brad each had a sister, Elizabeth. The 22 yr old above is the sister of MC b 1830 Mich.

The strange thing is that in this one household you've got the son of MC b 1829 Brad living with MC b 1830 Mich. Perhaps this is why lots of people with trees on Ancestry have got the 2 MCs muddled up.

Another possible reason is that the "place of birth" for that entire 1871 household is badly written and looks like "Isle of Man Brad", so probably done by one of the not-so-conscientious enumerators who wasn't fussy about getting the birth parish of each individual person. In the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses, Mgt Quayle alias Quiggin nee Cain b 1830 Mich is shown as being born in Michael.

Jean C