Sue, thanks anyway. At least you provided me with Amy Harriet as I only had her in census 1881 at 11mths, then aged 10 & 20. Do you have births of William Arthur b 1882 & Margaret b 1876 chn or are they too recent to appear. I have 3 from manxbmd, 1909 - 1912 but there is one who has suddenly appeared in 1915. K