(to help others - prev thread www.isle-of-man.com/cgi-bin/interests/genealogy/bulletin/index.pl?noframes;read=535575)
They also had a dau Anne bapt Patrick 18390310 who I think is with widowed grandmother cath kermeen als skillicorn in ballameanagh Lonan in 1851 but I can't find the rest of the family - can you find them in England in 1851 as that would probably give a better handle on Wm's age