Len - Confirmed your info on Ellis Island to my relative in Ohio. Is it possible there was a change of vessels for sailings. I have Wilfred Buckley Butterworth sailing on ss Franconia from Liverpool on 28th October 1913 and have been sent a copy of the manifest. Also Mark Butterworth - Franks grandson has now said his grandfather went over on the Ratu in 1909. Could Wilfred have gone in 1904 and returned to the UK only to go back to USA later.