Donna
thanks for replying again , she defoe was julia!s daughter we found that out ages ago in brian lawsons , its just that she and catherine cannot be found anywhere , harriet had her baby in 1900 same year as julia had my grandma ( catherine elizabeth ) i found harriets daughter (edith) son but he is also stuck as he thought juliawas his gran but its harriet all confusing isnt it , it kinda does my head in at times, so im looking for harriet camish and catherine cain