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I’ve been looking at possible parents for John Kneen, carter, b circa 1821 Marown. I wonder whether the 60yr old William Kneen in Margaret’s 1841 household could have been John’s paternal uncle.
I’ve pasted below all the census listings for these Kneens that I can find in 1841, 1851 and 1861.
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1841
Athol St, Douglas
Ancestry’s transcription:
Name Age
Wm Kneen 60
Hugh Brian 33
Mart Brian 34
Wm Brian 9
Cath Brian 2
Mary Ann Henry 8
notes:
WK 60 labourer
all b IOM except MAH 8 who was b Ireland
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burial of Wm Kneen from this household ?
Name William Kneen
Event Type Burial
Event Date 19 Oct 1843
Event Place Braddan, Isle of Man
Age 67
Birth Year (Estimated) 1776
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Possible death of Wm Kneen’s wife who may have been Ann nee Walkinson:
Name Ann Kneen
Event Type Burial
Event Date 12 Feb 1837
Event Place Braddan, Isle of Man
Age 60
Birth Year (Estimated) 1777
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1841
Big Well St, Douglas
Ancestry’s transcription:
Name Age
Thomas Quayle 40
Margaret Quayle 45
John Quayle 15
Margaret Quayle 13
Thomas Quayle 10
Cathrine Quayle 8
John Knerr 15
note:
John Kneen 15 blacksmith’s apprentice
TQ 40 blacksmith
Could this be the same John Kneen as the 30 yr old with Mgt Brean in 1851 / the 37 yr old unm Carter lodger in 1861 ? Perhaps he showed no aptitude for smithying and gave up/was sacked.
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1851
Shaw’s Brow, Douglas
Name Age
Margaret Bryon 44
William Bryon 19
Nicholas Bryon 15
Catherine Bryon 12
Margaret Bryon 5
George Bryon 1
John Kneen 30
William Kneen 41
Notes:
GB “son 1 b Douglas” but in 1861 he’s a grandson George Kneen
JK 30 and WK 41 both unm lodgers b Douglas
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1861
2 Bigwell St, Douglas
Name Age
Margaret Brean 53
Samuel Caley 21
Catherine Caley 21
Margaret A Caley 8 Months
George Kneen 11
William Kneen 50
William Kneen 21
Edward Corkill 22
John Philley 30
GK 11 grandson b Douglas
MB head b Douglas
WK 50 lodger wid cartman b Marown
WK 21 lodger unm cab driver b Douglas
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1861
1 Big Well St, Douglas
William Cubbon ? son unm 29 (May ? can’t decipher this word) pensioner b German
Margaret Cubbon ? mother wid 61 b Marown
John Kneen 37 lodger unm CARTER b Marown
(I think this is Wm Cubbin, son of Thos Cubbin and Mgt Kewley who m 1824 Marown and were at 7 Barrack St in 1851)
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This is possibly the marriage of the Wm Kneen lodger age 21 in 1861:
Name William Kneen
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 02 Aug 1862
Event Place Braddan, Isle of Man
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Father's Name Thos Kneen
Spouse's Name Elizth Eaten
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name Robt Eaten
Image shows WK car-man of James St, Douglas, father Thos Kneen, coachman,
The suggestion below for this Wm Kneen (son of a Thomas Kneen) in the censuses might be a red herring because this particular Thomas Kneen was an ostler/labourer. But apart from the discrepancy in occupation, this seems to fit---and also fits my theory (see later) on the family of Margaret Brean nee Kneen.
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Looking for the Thomas Kneen, father of Wm Kneen b 1840, car-man, could this be him:
Name Thomas Kneen
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 09 Dec 1827
Event Place Braddan, Isle of Man
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Name Jane Cain
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Marital Status Single
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1841
Irish Town, Douglas
Ancestry’s transcription:
Name Age
Thomas Kneen 35
Jane Kneen 40
Sarah Kneen 12
Edwr Kneen 8
Thos Kneen 3
Wm Kneen 1
notes:
TK 35 ostler
all b IOM
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1851
8 Fancy St, Douglas
Name Age
Thomas Kneen 51
Jane Kneen 45
Sarah Kneen 22
Edward Kneen 17
Thomas Kneen 14
William Kneen 11
notes:
TK 51 farm labourer b Braddan
JK and chn all b Douglas
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1861
Name Age
Thomas Kneen 61
Sarah Kneen 31
Catherine Corlett 3
Catherine Dodd 56
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Name: Edward Kneen
Age: 33 Years
Birth Year: abt 1833
Burial Date: 12 Jun 1866
Burial Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Residence: Douglas
Biography: 33 yrs
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Name Edward Kneen
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 20 Sep 1853
Event Place Braddan, Isle of Man
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Father's Name Thomas Kneen
Spouse's Name Jane Kelly
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name William Kelly
notes:
EK car driver, father TK labourer.
JK North Quay Douglas, father WK labourer
both made x-mark
wit: John Cubbon and James Killey PC
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1861
4 Caley’s Court, Douglas
Ancestry’s transcription:
Name Age
Edward Kneen 30
Jane Kneen 27
Edward Kneen 6
Richard Kneen 4
Catherine Kneen 2
Artha Kneen 1 Months
notes:
EK 30 car driver
all b Douglas
Artha should be AMELIA
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There was a burial of a 35yr old Jane Kneen in Douglas in 1870 so the children may have been split up by 1871.
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1871
Queen St, Douglas
Ancestry’s mistranscription:
Name Age
William Kelly 74
Catherine Kelly 30
Edward Kneen 16
Thomas Kneen 4
EK 16 grandson ferry man
Thomas Kelly (NOT Kneen) grandson
all b Douglas
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Baptisms of the possible children of the William Kneen 60yr old with Mgt and Hugh Brian in 1841:
Name Elizth Kneen
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 26 Nov 1800
Event Place St Matheus Chapel, Braddan, Isle of Man
Gender Female
Father's Name William Kneen
Mother's Name Ann Walkitton
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Name Thos Kneen
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 24 Oct 1802
Event Place St Matheus Chapel, Braddan, Isle of Man
Gender Male
Father's Name Willm Kneen
Mother's Name Ann Walkitton
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Margt Kneen
Isle of Man Parish Registers
Other information in the record of Margt Kneen
from Isle of Man Parish Registers
Event Type Christening
Event Date 14 Jun 1807
Event Place St George's, Douglas, Isle of Man
Gender Female
Father's Name Will Kneen
Mother's Name Ann Walker
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Name Wm Kneen
Gender Male
Christening Date 11 Mar 1810
Christening Place MAROWN,ISLE OF MAN,ENGLAND
Father's Name Wm Kneen
Mother's Name Anne
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I’m going to attempt to attach a sketch of possible relationships.
Jean C