Thank you Frances. I do need to get another copy of your cd.. Things were tidied during my 7week stay in Noble's so I can't find anything at the mo. Not allowed to drive at the mo either. I'll make contact one way or another. Soon as I can thanks for your help as always. James Bell was my gr gr grandfather. Can I also ask if it is possible to get a death certificate for Robert Shimmin died 1884 I think.presume I need to contact Registry.