Philip said –
In yours of 27/7/2011, 5:34 a.m. you made a chart based on the 1841 census and from an extract on p. 248 of CKR’s Maughold book that she wrote with her husband Bill. There are statements in it that point both ways. When they say “From six of these sons [of John Looney and Margaret Kelvie] are descended all the Looneys in Maughold at the time of the 1841 Census, and subsequently”, that is consistent with the Roper shift in that the Looneys at Cardle Veg come under her unrelated Bwoaillee Losht family tree, but descend from John, the third son of JL and MK as shifted. When she comes to that third son John, what she says is consistent with her tree.

Averil replied -
CKR her Bwoaillee Losht chart has John Looney and Margaret Hutchen as the Son of Robert Looney and Jane Kneen.

Robert Looney & Jane Kneen in both of their Wills state – my onely Son

John Looney & Margaret Hutchen DO NOT descend from Robert Looney & Jane Kneen

If you remove John Looney & Margaret Hutchen from my 1841 chart –

and you place John Looney & Isabel Camaish as the son of John Looney and Margaret Kelvie –

Then this rules out - John Looney & Margaret Hutchen and all their Decendants
Including – Daniel Looney their Son at Cardleveg in the 1841 Census.

JOHN 1745 – 18th Nov 1804 [Will] Son of, John Looney & Margaret Kelvie
John Looney married, Margaret Hutchin 18th January 1777
burial, Margaret Looney 4th May 1802 [Will]
Children,
1777 John Looney 27th Dec
1779 William Looney 31st Oct
1781 Esther Looney 16th April
1782 Daniel Looney 8th Dec Private Baptism burial, 20th Dec 1782
1783 Thomas Looney 19th Nov Private Baptism

1785 Margaret Looney married, Matthias Paisley 18th June 1814
Burial, Margaret Paisly 30th June 1853 age 68
Burial, Matthew Paisley 13th Jan 1825
Children,
Jane Paisley 26th Feb 1815
Robert Paisley 1st Sep 1816 m. Margt. Morrison 11th June 1844
Children,
Isabella Paisley 14th April 1850 RAMSEY
Isabella Anne Peaslley 10th Jan1819 Ramsey m.Charles Kneale 20 Mar 1853
Thomas Paisley 9th April 1820 RAMSEY m. Jane Martin 21st May 1840
Children,
Jane Paisley 1st Dec 1842 RAMSEY
Thomas Martin Paisley 11th May 1845 RAMSEY
John James Paisley 5th Sep 1847 RAMSEY
m. Cath. Emma Moore 10 AUG 1878 LEZAYRE Bride 23 Groom 29
Children, Catharine Margaret Paisley 24th May 1879 RAMSEY
Robert Paisley 12th March 1853 RAMSEY
Margaret Anne Paisley 18th March 1841 RAMSEY
Margarette Paisley 28th Jan 1822 RAMSEY

1787 Robert Looney 21st Oct
1789 Daniel Looney 21st June married, Ann Cowin, & Esther Christian & Jane Crellin
1791 Thomas Looney 9th Jan
1792 Isabel Looney 26th Aug
1797 Mary Looney 10th Dec

and their son Daniel Looney on the 1841 Census of Maughold

DANIEL 1789 Son of, John Looney & Margaret Hutchen
Daniel Looney married, Ann Cowin 6th Nov 1813 LONAN
Children,
1815 Isabel Looney 15th Jan burial, 19th May 1817
1816 John Looney 22nd Sep burial, 19th May 1817
1818 William Looney 6th Sep burial, 29th March 1826
1819 Thomas Looney 29th July

LONAN marriages .
" Daniel Looney of Maughold and Ann Cowin of this
parish were married in this Church by License this
6th Novr. 1813 by me : Hugh Stowell Vicar. This
marriage was solemnized between us : Daniel Looney
his X Ann Cowin her X
In the presence of Robert Corteen Thomas Quark "

2nd Marriage, Daniel Looney and Esther Christian
Patrick Marriage Register/
Daniel Looney Bachelor of the Parish of Maughold and
Esther Christian of this parish were married in this
Church by licence this 12 day of August 1823 .Per me
John Cottier [ Vicar ]
This marriage was solemnized between us Daniel
Looney his X mark. Hester Looney late Christian her
mark X In the presence of Thos. Gawne / Philip Cain
Daniel Looney married, Esther Christian 12th Aug 1823 at PATRICK, Isle of Man
Children,
1824 John Looney 14th Nov at PATRICK, Isle of Man
1825 Robert Looney 4th Dec
1829 Daniel Looney 4th Jan
1830 Margaret Looney 3rd Jan burial, 10th Feb 1830
1831 Mathew Looney 7th Aug
1834 Catharine Looney 3rd Aug
1836 William Looney 1st Mar 1836

Baptism : Esther Christian 20th May 1798 at PATRICK, Isle of Man
Parents, Mathew Christian and Margt Bridson

Patrick Burial Register/ 1839 Hesther Looney 41 Nov. 12

3rd Marriage, Daniel Looney and Jane Crellin 12th March 1840

There is an Enumerator mistake in 1841 Census, Margaret, should be Jane

1841 Census Maughold
Cardleveg Daniel Looney 50 Ag lab Isle of Man
Cardleveg Margaret Looney 40 Isle of Man
Cardleveg Daniel Looney 12 Isle of Man
Cardleveg Matthew Looney 9 Isle of Man
Cardleveg Catharine Looney 7 Isle of Man
Cardleveg William Looney 5 Isle of Man
Cardleveg Jane Crellin 12 Isle of Man

1851 Census Maughold
Cardleveg Daniel Looney 58 Master Joiner Isle of Man, Maughold
Cardleveg Jane Looney 50 Maughold
Cardleveg Matthew Looney 18 Joiner Ap. Maughold
Cardleveg Catharine Looney 17 Maughold
Cardleveg William Looney 15 Maughold
Cardleveg Philip CRELLYN 21 Stepson Journeyman Joiner Maughold

and Daniel’s son –

DANIEL 1829 Son of, Daniel Looney & Esther Christian
Daniel Looney married, Eleanor Quine 22nd July 1848 BRADDAN
Children,
1849 Anne Jane Looney 25th Mar BRADDAN
1850 John Looney 11th Aug BRADDAN
1851 Margaret Looney 9th Nov BRADDAN
1853 John Joseph Looney 4th Sep DOUGLAS, Saint Mathews
1854 Catherine Looney 29th July BRADDAN
1857 William Daniel Looney 6th Feb BRADDAN
1861 Harriett Eleanor Looney 21st April DOUGLAS, Saint Mathews

1861 Census DOUGLAS
1 Fell’s Court
Daniel Looney Head Mar. 32 Carpenter & Joiner Maughold
Eleanor Looney Wife Mar. 32 BRADDAN
Ann Looney Daur 13 Scholar DOUGLAS
Margaret Looney Daur 9 Scholar DOUGLAS
John Looney Son 8 Scholar DOUGLAS
Catherine Looney Daur 6 Scholar DOUGLAS
Daniel Looney Son 4 Scholar DOUGLAS

1871 Census LANCASHIRE West Derby, Liverpool
Mines Street
Daniel Looney Head Mar. 42 Joiner DOUGLAS (should be, Maughold)
Ellen Looney Wife Mar. 42 DOUGLAS
Ellen Looney Daur 22 DOUGLAS
Margaret Looney Daur Unm 19 Seamstress DOUGLAS
Catherine Looney Dau Unm 16 Servant DOUGLAS
Daniel Looney Son 13 Scholar DOUGLAS
Thomas Looney Son 11 Scholar DOUGLAS
Harriett Looney Daur 10 Scholar DOUGLAS
John Looney Grandson 1m LIVERPOOL
Joseph Looney Grandson 1m LIVERPOOL

1881 Census LANCASHIRE, Liverpool
12 Sun Street,
Daniel Looney Head Mar. 52 Joiner Isle of Man, Kirk Magull
Eleanor Looney Wife Mar. 52 BRADDAN
Anne Jane Looney Daur Unm 32 No Occupation DOUGLAS
Joseph Robt. Looney Son 10 Scholar LIVERPOOL
Eda Looney Daur 3 Scholar LIVERPOOL
Sarah GALE Visitor Unm 32 No Occup. CASTLETOWN

1891 Census Onchan, DOUGLAS
Bond Street,
Daniel Looney Head Widr. 62 Joiner Maughold
John QUAYLE Son in Law M 47 Lead Miner Maughold
Ann Jane QUAYLE Daur M 42 BRADDAN
Ada QUAYLE Grand daur 13 LIVERPOOL
Eleanor Ann QUAYLE Grand daur 1 DOUGLAS
John James QUAYLE Grandson under 1 ms DOUGLAS

1901 Census Onchan, BRADDAN
2 Bond Lane
John QUAYLE Head M 56 Lead Miner PATRICK Both
Ann J. QUAYLE Wife M 52 BRADDAN English
Eleanor A. QUAYLE Daur 11 DOUGLAS English
John J. QUAYLE Son 10 DOUGLAS English
Catherine A. QUAYLE Daur 8 DOUGLAS English
Daniel Looney F in Law Widr. 72 Joiner Carp. Maughold Both