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Hello Sandra,

To try and explain the age difference between - John Looney & Margt. Kelvie

I have added this –

Margaret CREETCH als LOONEY als KELVIE
Her Will is here –

ht tp://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/wills/1798_mc.htm

John Looney his Will in 1770
Margt. Kelvie her Will in 1798

A difference of 28 years.

The Kelvie family were of Ramsey.

A Document in 1740 shows that Margaret Kelvie is still SINGLE

North Side Sales Maughold

Ramsey ( 46 )

Tho. Kelvy Jane Kelvy & al

To Wm. Sprainger a Sale

NSS

M 1740

Know all men by these pressents that we Thomas Kelvie Cathrine Kelvie my wife

Jane Kelvie als : Nowell my Mother: Issabell Kelvie and Margtt: Kelvie Sisters to sd.

Thomas kelvie all of the Town of Ramsey: Divers good Causes and Considr :acons

us hereunto moveing but Cheifely for and in Consideracon of the full and Just

Sume of ffifteen shillings sterln: money to us in hand payd at the signeing and –

Delivery hereof: The receipt whereof We Doe hereby acknowledge: att and from

the hands of our friend and Neighbour William Sprainger Glover in the sayd Town

Have Given Granted passed over allienated and Sould: and by these presents doe Give Grant:

pass over allienate and for ever absolutely Sell all our whole right title property and –

Interest of and Into a parcell of Intack land Lying and being on the Mooiragh in ye sd.

Town adjoyning to Hugh Black’s rent on the East and to the Highway on the South west: and

also to John Cannell jun:r’s rent on the North: which he Lately purchased from Robt.

Christian: of such annual Lord’s rent as the Setting Quest of KK Maughold shall

allot or proportion thereon from us our heyres Exers. Admstrs: and assigns for ever. TO

HAVE AND TO HOLD unto him the sayd William Spranger his Heyres Exers. Admstrs.

and assigns, the afforesd. parcell of Intack Land: Together with all Easemts: Libberties

ways watters and watter Courses unto the premisses belonging or appertaining: he

the afforesd. Wm: Sprainger his heyres and assigns yeilding and paying yearely & every

yeare such annual Lord’s rent as the Setting Quest shall proportion thereon as

afforesd: wth: all boons Suits and Services as is annually Incumbent on the –

premisses: we the afforesd. Thomas Kelvie Cathrine Kelvie Jane Kelvie –

Issabell Kelvie & Margtt: Kelvie further oblidgeing our Selves to pcure the

Worshipll: Deemstrs: Attestacon & ye Honrble: Courts Confirmacon hereunto

and also to awarrant and Defend the pr:emisses In the peaceable possession of

the sd. Wm: Sprainger his Heyres & assigns against the pretended right of

any p:rson or persons wt: soever The Rt: Honr:ble Lord of this Isle onely except

= ed: To the true and faithfull performance of all and singular the –

premisses We the afforesd. Thomas Kelvie: Cathrine Kelvie: Jane Kelvie

Issabell Kelvie and Margtt: Kelvie: Doe hereby ffirmly bind and oblidge our

Selves Heyres Exrs: Admstrs: and assigns in and under the pennalty of Ten pounds

Sterln: money: to be Levyed and payd according to Law and practice wth: in

this Isle In wittness where of we have hereunto sett our Mrks. to our Names

this 13th: : June 1739

Thomas Kelvie my mrk. X
Signed and Delivered Cathrine Kelvie my mrk. X

In presence of Jane Kelvie my mrk. X

Issabell Kelvie my mrk. X

Thomas Woods Margtt: Kelvie my mrk: X

William Sayle Junr: x

Robt: Christian &

12th March 1739 Thomas Kelvie Issabell Kelvie

& Margret Kelvie acknowledged ye above Bill

of Sale to be their voluntary Act & Deed before

me

Dan Mylrea

We the Setting Quest of KK Maughold haveing this day

Appeared according to Charge to viewed the within menttioned –

parsele in this bill of Sale, and Considered of appoposonable rent

upon the same do Say according to our Judgment yt: the sd: parcell

Shall bear and pay ye: forth part of one penny ^ rent ^ yearly and this

we Return this 10th of May 1740

John Kerruish

Wm Cowll

Edw Callow

Thos: Corteen

At a Sheading Court holden at Douglas the 12th May 1740

The within Bill of Sale having been acknowledged before the Deemster and

now openly published in Court and No objection offered agt. it Is therefore

Allowed of & Confirmed according to Law –

Dan Mylrea J. Murray

Jon. Taubman Cha : Stanley

Jon Quayle

Wm Christian

Another Document in 1757 – below - shows that Margaret & Isabel Kelvie were underage at the signing of the 1740 document – this means that in 1740 – Margaret & Isabel Kelvie were under the age of 14 years.

MAYBE Margaret was only 12 at the signing of the 1740 Document – so this makes her born c1728 or before.

So in 1757 Margaret is around 29 years of age – With 6 children.
A reason for William being described as a, ‘poor pitiable object’ in his Father’s Will – could have been caused by a lengthy childbirth of a 14 year old girl.

The 1757 Document –

( 56 ) KK Conchan

Danl Christian & wife }
John Looney and wife }

To A Quit Claim

William Spranger}

A Quit Claim

M. 1757

Whereas Isable Christian wife of Dan Christian of the Town of

Ramsey and Margt. Looney wife of John Looney of KK

Maughold, Did before their their Intermariage with the sd.

Dan Christian and John Looney with their brother Thos. Kelvey

and their Mother Jane Kelvey Did Sell unto Wm. Spranger of

the sd. Town of Ramsey a Certain part or parcell of their Concerns

on the Mooraugh in foresd. Town as by Bill of Sale of the pmises

Dated the 13th June 1739. may appear and the sd. Daniel –

Christian and John Looney alledging ^ that ^ their wifes were not at

Lawfull years (rest of this line under fold of Document)

have occasioned some Suits and trouble, and to prevent any –

further Disputes or Suits at Law Dan: Christian and John Looney

with their wifes aforesd. have proceeded to the following Quit –

Claime, Therefore Know all men by these presents that we

the sd. Dan Christian and Isable ^ Christian ^ my wife and John Looney and

Margt. Looney my wife Divers Causes as hereunto moving but

Cheifly and more Especially for and in Consideration of the Just Sum

twenty four shillings and six pence, as allso to avoid both

present and future Lawsuits we have by these presents Given

Granted Transferred resigned relinguished and for ever Quit

Claimed all manner of Demands as for Tytle or pretention of

Tytle that we now have or hereafter might or Could have unto

the foresd. premisses or any part parcell or member thereof

Excluding and Debaring our heyres Execrs. Administers. and –

Assignes or any other person by from or under us from any

pretention to the premisses before mentioned And the same to

have and to hold unto him the sd. Wm. Spranger his heyres

Execrs. Administrs. and Assignes Quitely and peaceably for –

ever as aforesd. he paying the Lords ^ rent ^ yearly incumbent on

the same with all other Dues and Dutys yearly incumbent

on the foresd. premisses And for the true and for the true and –

faithfull performance of all and Singular the foregoing Quit –

Claime and every Clause ^and^ Sentence ^therein^ Containˊd mentioned meaint or

intended We the sd. Dan Christian and Isable Christian my wife

and John Looney and Margt. Looney my wife Doth hereby

bind and oblige ourselves our heyrs Execrs. Administrs. and

assigns in the penalty of ffourty pounds Sterling to be Levied and

paid according to the Law and practice within this Isle as wittness

our marks to our names this 6th May 1757.
Signed and Delivered } Dan Christian my mrk X
in presence of -} Isable Christian als Kelvey my mrk X

John Looney and my mrk X

Arthur Cowll Margt. Looney als Kelvey my mrk X

John Cowll

John Kewin his mrk X

23rd May 1757 . Arthur Cowll & John Kewn Two of the

subscribing Witnesses made Oath upon the Holy

Evangelists that all the subscribing parties

duly executed the within Quit Claim in their

presence this Before me –

Jon: Taubman

At a Sheading Court holden at Douglas the

23rd May 1757

The Before going Quit Claim being proved so before
the Deemster And now published in Open Court and
no Objection offered agt. it. The same is Therefore
allowed off & Confirmed according to Law

Danl Cochrane

Jon. Taubman Dan Mylrea

John Quayle

Dan Lace

the Kelvie Family information is here – scroll down to the bottom of the Will –

ht tp://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/wills/1727_jk.htm#kelvie

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