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Re: William Caine/Frances Radcliffe Andeas/ ch to

Wow, Donna, Thanks!

(And what is the connection to Hugh Lord?)

Given your information from 2005: William Sr. From DJD Apr 2011: Caine William G. d. Aug 2- 185- age 58
wife Francis Radcliffe, son John d. 1852, daugh Jane d. 1854

Last night I did a search for William in the death records, and on Findagrave. I did not find the reference to William, nor to Jane, but did find Frances Radcliffe Caine buried at Warrensville West,Sep. 5, 1884, wife of William Caine, age 86 years
There is an obituary for Frances Caine: Cleveland Public Library Necrology File: “Caine, Mrs. Frances, Sept. 6, 1884, Caine- In East Cleveland, Friday, September 5, at 4 o'clock, Mrs. Frances Caine, in the 86th year of her age. Funeral from the residence of her son-in-law, Philip Kneen, in East Cleveland, Sunday, at 2 p. m. Friends invited.”
Her death record, Frances M. Cain (male–sic) widowed, gives her date and place of death as East Cleveland, April 5, 1884; father’s name Thomas (why is this date April, and the obituary September!)

Also on Findagrave: Warrensville West: John Caine 1852
son of M and F Caine (is this a misreading of the stone?)
I was not able to find a death record for him, nor an obituary.

Also had another look at the West Point manifest, May 1850, on which William, age 27, immigrated, and found, in another part of the list, Ellen Caine, age 18, and Esther Caine, age 15.

Frances:
1860 East Cleveland census: Jas R. Cain 30 IOM farmer; Frances 61 IOM; John Brinson 16 NC; Robt Cain 23 IOM;
1870 Not yet located;
1880 Not yet located

Children of William and Fanny, from Andreas census:

1. William bp 1823; shoemaker
1841 with parents Andreas age 15 (rounded);
1850 immig on West Point, age 27 shoemaker; 1850 Cleveland 1st ward census William age 27 shoemaker with Hugh Lord family;
1855 married Jane Caley;
1880 died buried Woodland Cem. Cleveland

2.Thomas bp 1825; weaver 1
841 with parents Andreas age 15 (rounded);
1847 m. Lezayre Ann Cundray;
ca. 1848 immig;
1850 Newburgh age 24;
1870 m Ohio Mary Callow;

3.John bp 1827;
1841 with parents Andreas age 13;
??1852 died (from DJD Apr 2011)
??1860 census Cleveland 2nd ward, age 25, with brother Thomas [not old enough: should be 35] [This age fits the John Cain who was in Manhattan, Illinois, and married Catherine Keir. Could he be a cousin, rather than a brother, of Thomas?]

4.James bp 1829; shoemaker
1841 with parents Andreas age 11;
1851 with parents Andreas age 22 shoemaker;
1860 East Cleveland age 30 with mother and brother Robert;
??1878 Feb 8 death James R. Caine (Findagrave: East Cleveland Cemetery)

5. Ellen bp 1831;
1841 with parents Andreas, age 10;
1850 immig on West Point age 18 with sis Esther, bro William

6.Esther bp 1833;
1841 with parents Andreas age 8;
1850 immig on West Point age 15 with sis Ellen, bro William;
1850 Cleveland 2nd ward census: Esther Cain 16, in home of Lloyd Winsor (a clergyman) and his wife Elizabeth;
1854 married Philip Kneen;
1860 Cleveland 2nd ward census: Philip Knaan (?) 37 blacksmith IOM; Esther 27 IOM; Ellen J. 5 Ohio; Catherine 3 Ohio; Fanny E. 10/12 Ohio; Robert Cain 24 IOM
1870 Newburgh census: Philip Kneen 45; Esther 37; Ellen 14; Kitty 12; Fanny 10; Anna 8; Wm 6; Edwd 1; Edwin 18
1880 East Cleveland census: Phillip Kneen 57 farmer IOM; Esther 37 IOM; Katharine23; Ann18; William 16; Edward11; Frank 8; George 6
1900 East Cleveland census: Philip Kneen Sept 1822 77 M46yrs Immig 1849 in US 51yrs Na; Esther Apr 1832 68 M46yrs 9ch-8lv Immig 1852 in US 48yrs; George Nov 1873 26; Anna M. Oct 1861 38; Katherine June1857 42;
William E. Kneen, son of Esther and Philip, married February 15, 1899, Cora L. Cowley, daughter of Thomas Cowley and Belle Clague.
1908 Philip Kneen dies Findagrave.com Lake View Cemetery : Philip Kneen, born Sept 1822 England; died Cleveland, Aug 29, 1908. Husband of Esther Cain Kneen, father of Katharine, Ann, William, Edward, Frank, Ella George
1917 Esther Kneen dies Esther Cain Kneen death record: parents William Caine/Frances Radcliff; spouse Philip Kneen born IOM 31 Mar 1833, died Cleveland Heights, 9 August 1917
Esther Cain Kneen obituary: August 12, 1927
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #045.
Notes: Kneen-Esther Cain, wife of the late Phillip Kneen, passed away Tuesday, Aug. 9, at her home on Tullamore road, Cleveland Heights, O. Funeral services at Wade Memorial chapel, Friday, Aug. 12, at 2:30 p. m. Rochester (N.Y.) papers please copy

7. Jane bp 1834;
1841 with parents Andreas, age 6;
1851 with parents Andreas age 16;
??1854 died (from DJD Apr 2011)

8. Robert bp 1836;
1841 with parents Andreas age 5;
1851 with parents Andreas age 15;
1860 East Cleveland Robert age 23 with mother and bro James; 1860 Robert age 24 with Philip Kneen family

9. Edward bp 1840; [can't be 2 months in 1841 census if he was baptized in 1840]
1841 with parents Andreas age 2 m;
1851 with parents Andreas age 10

10. William bp 1841 [This one is confusing to me. Do you suppose the Edward bp 1840 has died,and this is another son, and possible the entry reads "son of William"?]