Thanks Donna for looking them up. Although there is a very good possibility that these 2 people are the ones I want, I have already learnt you cannot assume things in genealogy so they will have to stay on my 'question mark' list for my next visit to the IOM. The trouble is that if the list gets too long my holiday there will be mainly taken up with research ! Luckily my husband helped me in Sept in the Manx museum and although he's not interested in his own family research .....yet ......he did think it was interesting. STILL snow here in Sweden - it's been white since 11th Nov !!! Too long winters when the snowdrops are out on the Island. Thanks again.